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viking-talks:

okay I’m taking a semi-permanent hiatus from tumblr. there is way too much negativity, way too much “my way is the ONLY correct way,” not enough kindness. rather than helping people, people that are having problems are laughed at, told they’re not really good enough, told they’re not really…

I wouldn’t take it personally, most Muslims on tumblr are quite young/teens and so understandably will act like one. They don’t have much knowledge of Islam because most of them although born Muslims, haven’t been practicing their whole life.

Find people of knowledge who you can learn from and genuinely make Islam their lifestyle (in both speech and actions).

So true :)

So true :)

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I am being torn apart...   

immaculate-insanity:

mudaraa:

immaculate-insanity:

So the other day at an Islamic lecture on the “status of women in Islam,” I had to stand up for the truth and very strongly assert to my fellow Muslims that were present as well as to the curious nonbelievers that some Islamic religious texts do indeed contain misogyny.

Today, (about twenty…

I suggest learning more about Islam before making conclusions on it. No one is going to abandon the Qur’an, and not everyone that follows the Qur’an is misogynistic (atleast your definition of it).

This is from your other post;

So men can punish women by denying sex (yet there’s a hadeeth about how if a woman does that, she gets “cursed all night by angels”), they can beat women, and women must be OBEDIENT to their husbands.

So much ignorance in this. I really hope you got called out (by someone who actually knows Arabic and has studied ilm ul hadeeth and the fiqh that’s derived from it) in one of your little clueless class debates.

Your criticism means nothing if you don’t offer a rebuttal. Which you didn’t. Because you have no counter evidence to offer. Therefore, none of your points are valid. Basic logic.

Also, I never said that everyone who follows the Quran is misogynistic. I said that the Quran itself is. If you think the real meaning can somehow magically be derived through staring at the Arabic, you’re also wrong. If this is God’s incorruptible word, then it would be properly understood in every language, since the words of the Quran are supposedly “protected” and can’t be changed.

And no. No one called me out because there was nothing to call out. They all sat there dumbfounded.

So don’t call me ignorant unless you can present a stronger, well-formed philosophical argument. You naive little Arabophile.

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Sorry for replying late. I’m only going to reply once, because out of respect I don’t see this going anywhere (judging by reading some of your posts).

1. I’m not a scholar or a student of knowledge, nor do I have the time to do all the hard work for you and get you the references etc. This is really something you should do.

What I can say for sure though, is that you’re talking well beyond your depth, on sensitive matters that are causing you to be heavily judgmental.

2. The fact that you believe the Qur’an is misogynistic directly implies those that believe and follow it are also misogynistic (and then you try to give others a lecture about logic…. ). Many Muslims don’t pick and choose, they follow the Qur’an as it is suppose to be understood at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) - and most certainly not all of them are misogynistic.

3. The Qur’an isn’t “supposedly” protected, if you actually study ilm ul hadeeth and all the evidence surrounding the Qur’anic preservation, then you’d be pretty firm in your belief that the Qur’an is protected. Just one of many examples of where you try to talk about things you really don’t know much about.

Here’s a good introductory book regarding the Qur’anic preservation, if you’re genuinely sincere and actually want to falsify some of your beliefs, then I’d recommend it; History of the Qur’anic Text from Revelation to Compilation: A Comparative Study with Old and New Testaments

4. No one called me out because there was nothing to call out.

That’s a shame, not because there was nothing to call out, but because no one there has probably got an excellent grasp of Classical Arabic, ilm ul Qur’an, ilm ul Hadeeth - people who can actually take a verse of the Qur’an and read/understand the most earliest  commentaries/understanding of the verse etc. These people are called scholars and students of knowledge, find a few of them and put them to the test, and then question yourself as to how far or close you were in your presumptions.

I’ll give you an example;

So men can punish women by denying sex (yet there’s a hadeeth about how if a woman does that, she gets “cursed all night by angels”), they can beat women, and women must be OBEDIENT to their husbands.

- How can men “punish women for denying sex”? Where on earth are you getting this from?

- Again, just because it’s sinful for women to deny intimacy, does not mean it isn’t the same for men. The celebrated classical scholar, ibn taymiyyah who according to you would’ve lived in a very “misogynistic society” goes into detail about the sexual needs of women - to the point it could become a criminal offense where a woman could report it to the Qadi.

This comes under the study of hadith sciences, you’ll find many instances of words directed at a specific gender carrying the ruling on opposite genders.

As to why it’s sinful to withhold intimacy without a good reason, then it’s simple; adultery is considered one of the biggest sins in Islam that carries a hefty punishment in this life and the hereafter - it’s something that ruins peoples lives and causes them to lose trust. It only makes sense that people should be intimate with those that are permissible to them, rather than look towards something else to fulfill their desires/needs.

That’s why in Islam, there’s a limit on how long a man can stay away from his home if he has a wife, and that too based on a good reason (like military service if the Muslims are a war). There’s a famous hadith with Umar overhearing a woman saying that if she wasn’t God fearing, this bed would’ve long been rocking - Umar then called her husband back from military service.

- Again, men can’t “beat women”. What a conclusion despite not even  even knowing the Arabic alphabet, the social context of the verse, how it was understood by the people present or why it was revealed, and what is the akham (in regards to the application) of it.

You don’t get that the Prophet (peace be upon him) never “beat” any of his wives for a good reason (and no, they weren’t always “obedient” as you like to put it), you don’t realise that the “toothbrush” (oh I’m sure you’ve heard of this) isn’t just some desperate modernist apologia, but has an actual basis in Orthodox Islam. You haven’t bothered to read what the likes of Imam Nawawi (who the whole Shafi’i madhab take their understanding of Islam from, and is considered one of the greatest Hadith scholars) has explained in detail regarding the “discipline” verse.

Nor do you understand that a “disobedient” husband who abuses his wife can get called up, he can get reported to the Qadi and he could suffer an actual beating if that is what he decided to do his wife.

Anyways, as I’ve said, this is my only response to you. I feel like I’ve given you plenty to think about, to actually research and to ask those who know their stuff. Your husband who you say is supportive of you clearly doesn’t know anything about Islam, like yourself - and it seems, either your MSA is just as clueless, or simply doesn’t wish to waste their time as they deem it hitting a brick. Though I do hope they continue trying.

Some Muslims out there, don’t respect women, treat them like objects and generally seem to paint the picture you have of Islam (in terms of how you want to interpret it, rather than understanding its actual interpretation). But, not all Muslims are like that, and these Muslims are not those that compromise their beliefs, they’re ones who actually understand it, who ask people who have spent their whole lives learning it - they’re people who have more respect for women than you could ever imagine.

If I’ve said anything you’ve found offensive, or more precisely “misogynistic”, then I apologies because that’s not my intention. I pray you learn about Islam, actually be blessed with an understanding of it - before you start to judge it. All the best with life.

"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.   [Quran, 4:19]

ps. No idea what this means, but if it’s an insult I forgive you.

You naive little Arabophile.

I am being torn apart...

immaculate-insanity:

So the other day at an Islamic lecture on the “status of women in Islam,” I had to stand up for the truth and very strongly assert to my fellow Muslims that were present as well as to the curious nonbelievers that some Islamic religious texts do indeed contain misogyny.

Today, (about twenty…

I suggest learning more about Islam before making conclusions on it. No one is going to abandon the Qur’an, and not everyone that follows the Qur’an is misogynistic (atleast your definition of it).

This is from your other post;

So men can punish women by denying sex (yet there’s a hadeeth about how if a woman does that, she gets “cursed all night by angels”), they can beat women, and women must be OBEDIENT to their husbands.

So much ignorance in this. I really hope you got called out (by someone who actually knows Arabic and has studied ilm ul hadeeth and the fiqh that’s derived from it) in one of your little clueless class debates.

have you ever questioned your beliefs?

Anonymous

Sorry I just saw this (very late reply, deeply apologise).

Everyone questions their belief at some point until they’re convinced as to the reason why they believe what they do. Some people can believe in something, but not have full conviction because they’re still unsure of their reasoning.

But, once they get past that point and gain a firm conviction, then they’ll feel content without the need to question. And conviction only comes after gaining knowledge and clear understanding of the concept as to remove doubt.

A great Islamic Classical scholar once said in truth;


With regard to his words – i.e., the words of ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allah be pleased with him) in his will – (in which he says of one who is weak in faith): “Doubt will take root in his heart when he encounters the slightest specious argument”, that is because of his lack of knowledge and insight. This is unlike the one who has deep knowledge; even if specious arguments come to him like the waves of the sea, they cannot affect his certain faith or instil any doubt in his mind, because he is well versed in knowledge, so specious arguments do not faze him. Rather, if they come to him, he wards them off by means of his knowledge, and the specious arguments will be utterly defeated and crushed. Doubts can enter a person’s mind and prevent him from seeing the truth, but once he acquires deep knowledge, those doubts will not have any impact on him; rather his knowledge and certain faith will increase by refuting it and finding out how false it is. But if he does not have deep knowledge, he will develop doubts the first time he encounters any specious argument. So he should deal with these doubts, otherwise they will accumulate in his heart until they become very strong and control his thoughts. - Ibn al-Qayyim, [Miftaah Dar as-Sa‘aadah, 1/140]

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Great article

All praise is to Allah (swt) for giving me all the rizq I could ever need.

Ibn Mas’ud reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

Shall I not tell you for whom the Hellfire is forbidden? It is every person accessible, polite, and mild.

Source: Sunan At-Tirmidhi 2488, Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani) - See Silsilat Al-Hadeeth As-Saheehah 935


Masruq reported:

He was asked, “Was Aisha knowledgeable of the obligations?” Masruq said, “By the one in whose hand is my soul, I saw the learned elders among the companions of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, ask her about the obligations.”

Source: Musnaf Ibn Abi Shayba 30387